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There was a question in game yesterday and I wasn't 100% sure I knew the rule...

basically a pilot had returned to their main to repair/rearm... that plane is still a legit target even though it has returned to main, correct?
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This is from a previous post where Swanny explained the rule.
Here is an example:

A plane spawns.
Swanny jumps in it.
Swanny flies outside the main.
Swanny, in that plane, is fair game.
Swanny flies back to the main.
Swanny is still fair game.
Swanny flies into a hill.

A new plane spawns.
That plane WILL NOT BE TOUCHED (other than being stolen) until it leaves the main for the first time.

If you leave the main in any vehicle, aircraft, tricycle, etc., YOU CAN BE KILLED ANYWHERE, INCLUDING IF YOU GO BACK INTO THE MAIN.

If a player had been out and came back in, he is fair game. EVEN if he lands in or on the hangar to repair.
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thanks :)
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to clarify....what swanny said..however circling around opponents main and harming swanny while he is leaving main will not be tolerated...let them leave clear and all is well. :D
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I think he was jokingly saying ... don't loiter around the mains.
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TOG | Whirly wrote::o oh yeh i get it now :roll:
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Here ya go.



Its so simple. New spawn pilot in plane off limits.
Pilot in damaged plane getting repaired, kill is ass unless he checks out a new plane from Nightstalker. The damaged plane is the target
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lol,..I just reread my post....what??
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well I guess I can make this as complicated as everyone else is making it by asking...

... what if, while repairing the plane, a smacktard steals the now repaired plane... is the "plane" a legit target still? Be kinda hard to tell "who" is now piloting the plane on the runway.
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MOJORyder wrote:well I guess I can make this as complicated as everyone else is making it by asking...

... what if, while repairing the plane, a smacktard steals the now repaired plane... is the "plane" a legit target still? Be kinda hard to tell "who" is now piloting the plane on the runway.
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Pretty sure the rule applies to the "Player" , not the vehicle whatever it may be ............
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If you really wanna get wrapped around the axle on this, I'd say yeah, the plane is a valid target after it's been out of the main.
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Wow these clarifications are starting to get odd, mental note not to jump in a vehicle thats been out of main now in the event someone is circling above looking to kill the vehichle and not the player that returned with it :roll:
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JAS your clarification is wrong. Or should I say your mental note is wrong. You should not fear people circling around the main watching you get into the legal target vehicle as that was noted as a bad thing to do and should not be done ... aka loitering around main. I think Tool already said that. ;)
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....But, on the third Wednesday of every other month. Only players that have a vowel in the second position on their name can kill any plane leaving the base. An exception to this rule is if the Sun is in the seventh house and Jupiter is on the rise, then Rallys balls are a legitimate target, but only with the A-10 and only if they are smoking and need repairs can you follow the flaming balls into the base for a kill. Case in point. If Swanny is in control of Rallys balls and Mojo works his stick to get into firing postion, lines up and releases his load, hits the balls dead on. Whamo, Swanny now has to get those smoking balls back to base where Nightstalker is awaiting with a mouth full of water. If Ns can get close enough to Rallys flaming balls he can spit on them and make repairs to Swanny craft. But as long as Swanny wants to ride out again on Rally's balls he is still working target for Mojo to hit'em again.
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Nightstalker wrote:JAS your clarification is wrong. Or should I say your mental note is wrong. You should not fear people circling around the main watching you get into the legal target vehicle as that was noted as a bad thing to do and should not be done ... aka loitering around main. I think Tool already said that. ;)
My understanding previously aswell.... Untill further clarafication stated that the vehicle that returned to main was a legal target even if it was stolen by a fellow smacktard teammate, So hence if the legal target vehicle has a newly spawned stealin mofo player in it than it becomes a legal kill on both the vehicle and player, Even thou the other rule states no killing of players in main that are not shooting out ?
MOJORyder wrote: ... what if, while repairing the plane, a smacktard steals the now repaired plane... is the "plane" a legit target still? Be kinda hard to tell "who" is now piloting the plane on the runway.
So now its ok to kill a player in the main as long as they stole a teammates vehicle that returned or are in a vehicle that was outside the main but returned ?

Now what im getting at here with my previous post NS is that the rules are getting more complicated from the "One Simple Rule" theory. In my opinion the vehicle shouldnt be classified as a legal target once returned to main and in the hands of a new player, its the player that left the main with it that should remain the legal target to prevent having to clarify one rule after the other.

To me im always going to follow what i have known and that is if im in a fight with someone in the air and they return to their main, that player is my target and not his mode of transportation.
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ok well firstly, it was a joke.
secondly, it would be near impossible for a pilot to "see" who the pilot of said plane was (same guy or smacktard)...I think it would be a legal kill. It's not the pilos fault some idiot stole the plane while he was aligning his angle of attack... Who reads names while fighting? I look for red or blue..that's it.
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JohnnyAppleSeed wrote:So now its ok to kill a player in the main as long as they stole a teammates vehicle that returned or are in a vehicle that was outside the main but returned ?
AYFKM? Seriously?

My point was that if you followed someone back to the main and someone stole their plane and you killed them, thinking it was the person you followed back, why should you be kicked? In fact I daresay that if the thief called foul on the "camping" the person who just got planejacked would probably speak up about it, especially if they're a regular pilot. (just what MOJORyder said)

This is EXACTLY why we don't fuck around with nuance. People come up with some wild-ass ideas about what if and how about and NO.

I'm sure it's my own fault for playing with the hypothetical but Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick you've proved my point on why we've always stuck to one rule. The rest is common sense. Perhaps we should start calling it UNcommon sense.

To be clear this is NOT about just this one question or Johnny - it's every time someone has tried to play some devil's advocate BS in the past.
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Swanny-CG wrote: AYFKM? Seriously?
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Swanny-CG wrote:This is EXACTLY why we don't fuck around with nuance. People come up with some wild-ass ideas about what if and how about and NO.
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I was being sarcastic in my post Swanny, trying to get across that all these clarifications leave the door open to many smacktard ppl that would try find the grey areas in the "One Simple Rule".

I play by the rules here, ask anyone , I respect most players that deserve it and the ones I dont I let be plain and simple. What is common sense to one person may not be common sense to the next which is why I brought up that question, there is already enough fat on the One Simple Rule that all thats happening is smacktards are looking for the loopholes that are being created with every clarification so no im not kidding you as yes some moron will ask that question down the road.

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Hey Kam, Me thinks thee gauntlet has been toss in thy direction.
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Johnny I know you weren't and it's EXACTLY what you said - that grey areas cause more problems.

On the flip side, I'm not going to map out every single thing that is right or wrong. The rule is "no camping" as far as teamkilling, driving to planes, blowing up equipment - it's just rude. To me, it's common sense ot not hinder your team mates or others' enjoyment on the server. The people that need to be told that, well, I'm pretty sure we don't want them here anyway.

The closest we've ever come is not allowing c4 on flags (particularly CTF) but it's not that hard to work around if you have any cohesion as a team.

We leave it to the discretion of the admins on what constitues disruptive play. Folks can come here and dispute the claim. Over time if someone's not right we'll get it sorted. I have faith in the process of things. It's probably easier for me because I have a measure of control in that process but I do think everything comes out in the wash.
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which gets me on another pet peeve lol...

...in Gazala yesterday (and often, actually) while I am defending the hidden airfield, I often see team mates flying fighter jets there to bail out and steal either the f15 or the little bird.
ffs people, DRIVE OVER THERE, don't waste a dang MIG for your selfish ass taxi needs.

/rant

Anyways, sorry this thread got so convoluted, I honestly expected a 1 2 or 3 reply thread, not the tangled web we got :S
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AIDS wrote:What about players who request admin rights over and over and just gets repeatedly crapped on? Seriously, get over it.


Where the hell did that come from ... I have heard out of left field but this one came out of right field at a football stadium.
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