1. In-game alias: HaV3n
2. Public key hash: 4178a4476d18307f74bd2809f4e3eaee
3. Time/date of the ban: Friday April 16, 2010 2:35pm EST
4. Who banned you: Rick Petko
5. What were you banned for: "Disrepecting player(s)" (please note quotation marks as that was the stated reason)
6. Comments:
Bocage day 2, I took off 2 times at most without letting someone else get into Apache. Hassled Petko another time about jumping into Apache when I had been sitting at airfield waiting for apache to spawn. I suppose he took offense. Compounded by ppl I didn't let into my heli complaining I wasn't flying with them and I publicly stated on team chat that I prefer to fly solo. (I'm not a great heli pilot and don't like the noise of ppl trying to shoot stuff on ground or in sky when I don't even know how to fly well for that type of play)
Petko said 2-3 times to team play...to which I kept asking for clarification in this instance if that meant specifically that I had to let ppl ride in my helicopter? He never seemed to respond. I've never had an admin get upset on this map about someone doing that, but I imagine he (along with alot of other ppl) feel that its a big heli war and they need to have 2 man teams in all the helis....except I'm not flying to dogfight in the sky, I'm attacking ground targets and appreciate not having auto sonar of cannon on front firing by noob giving my position away all the time)
Anyways...I think 3 days is a bit excessive. I welcome scrutiny of the chat logs. 10 min would have been plenty, but still overkill.
Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
On a map like this....there are helis spawning incessantly...it wasn't horribly crowded and to think that me taking off alone was "disrupting gameplay" seems silly.
I suppose Petko thought I was disrespecting him. I don't like it when admins take stuff personally. To the best of my knowledge I was just asserting that I didn't have to fly in tandem...I could fly alone if I wanted.
I could see on a map like Tobruk where flying solo becomes disruptive....but on a dedicated heli map....?
I suppose Petko thought I was disrespecting him. I don't like it when admins take stuff personally. To the best of my knowledge I was just asserting that I didn't have to fly in tandem...I could fly alone if I wanted.
I could see on a map like Tobruk where flying solo becomes disruptive....but on a dedicated heli map....?
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Once again you don't understand the gist of what we do here. You weren't banned for 3 days because you failed to give rides only. You also called your fellow players noobs and generallly disrupted game play with your verbal abuses of other players. SOS also saw this too. You have been reprimanded before for things like this. If you don't cease you will be perma-banned for good. Serve your time and come back with an adjusted attitude towards us.
RP
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
You never once warned me about what you're saying I was banned for. Please, post chat logs.
Are you saying that the "previous reprimand" were from months ago when AIDS told me to tone it down? Why didn't you reference that?
Never once did you clarify that "playing disruptively" was in regard to my language. You ONLY said stuff to me today after people complained about me not letting them into the apache.
Are you saying that the "previous reprimand" were from months ago when AIDS told me to tone it down? Why didn't you reference that?
Never once did you clarify that "playing disruptively" was in regard to my language. You ONLY said stuff to me today after people complained about me not letting them into the apache.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
I welcome whatever you guys want to do with regard to me saying stuff. In many ways, I feel like OffTheHook who often also complains about poorly performing teammates, although not as harshly as I do. However, I'd apprecaite some "discipling" leading up to a 3day ban. If I'm disparaging players to an unacceptable level. Would you kindly tell me, specifically. And when I am talking about Apaches, (since you say, that wasn't the gist) why not explain there in game and tell me exactly what you find unacceptable. Then, start handing out a 1 min kick....a 10min kick...whatever. But I have NEVER been kicked for language or talking or anything. So, why do you tolerate it, I get in the habit of it, and then BOOM, I get banned for 3 days with no real warning.
I don't mind being punished when I know I'm in the wrong. Just give me some warning. I didn't do anything today worthy of a 3 day ban according to your statement. Instead, its been a growing bur in your saddle that you finally just whacked at under whatever pretense presented itself today.
A growing bur....that only you knew about.
Let me know next time. Thanks.
I don't mind being punished when I know I'm in the wrong. Just give me some warning. I didn't do anything today worthy of a 3 day ban according to your statement. Instead, its been a growing bur in your saddle that you finally just whacked at under whatever pretense presented itself today.
A growing bur....that only you knew about.
Let me know next time. Thanks.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Just look at the title of this thread. I didn't even understand why the reason for banning was "disrespecting players."
I'd really love to see chat logs. I think they'll vindicate me to some degree here.
But I don't know if there is much point. I feel like you basically just want me banned. Doesn't really matter what for.
I'd really love to see chat logs. I think they'll vindicate me to some degree here.
But I don't know if there is much point. I feel like you basically just want me banned. Doesn't really matter what for.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
But do post the chat logs, if you're man enough to defend your actions.
Like I said in game, I have no quarrel with you. In game I even stated I was looking for "clarification" on what exactly you were talking about.
I cannot tell you how exasperating it is to be in the dark and then get banned with no opportunity to reform or whatever after a warning.
Post the logs.
Like I said in game, I have no quarrel with you. In game I even stated I was looking for "clarification" on what exactly you were talking about.
I cannot tell you how exasperating it is to be in the dark and then get banned with no opportunity to reform or whatever after a warning.
Post the logs.
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Hav3n,
I can tell you're pissed, and we'll get this straightened out. In the emantime, stewing for 10 minutes and coming back to post "and nother thing ..." posts (which *seem* to be escalating in tone) probably isn't going to help.
In terms of the actual issue, we tend to admin on a case by case basis. I generally don't mind smacktalk unless I think someone is out of hand. What exactly that means depends on the nature of the person and the contents of the comments. Generally people are asked to be quiet, then STFU, then they are escorted out.
I understand that you may feel you weren't given enough warning. I would point out that the chat logs goes pretty quickly, and if RP asked you to tone it down you might have missed it. From an admin's perspective, if someone does not acknowledge us it's hard to tell if they are missing it or ignoring the requests.
May I suggest that this could be worked out without having to mesaure e-peens?
Generaly, if I'm sitting down and someone trips over my feet, I apologize, regardless of the fact that:
A. It probably wasn't my *FAULT*
B. I didn't do it on purpose
Just sayin'.
I can tell you're pissed, and we'll get this straightened out. In the emantime, stewing for 10 minutes and coming back to post "and nother thing ..." posts (which *seem* to be escalating in tone) probably isn't going to help.
In terms of the actual issue, we tend to admin on a case by case basis. I generally don't mind smacktalk unless I think someone is out of hand. What exactly that means depends on the nature of the person and the contents of the comments. Generally people are asked to be quiet, then STFU, then they are escorted out.
I understand that you may feel you weren't given enough warning. I would point out that the chat logs goes pretty quickly, and if RP asked you to tone it down you might have missed it. From an admin's perspective, if someone does not acknowledge us it's hard to tell if they are missing it or ignoring the requests.
May I suggest that this could be worked out without having to mesaure e-peens?
Generaly, if I'm sitting down and someone trips over my feet, I apologize, regardless of the fact that:
A. It probably wasn't my *FAULT*
B. I didn't do it on purpose
Just sayin'.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Right. Appreciate the comments.
Thing is though, he even says it wasn't me "ignoring him." It was just, I don't know, a litany of wrongs that have been growing.
Which means, its about more than this one unban request, its a huge problem that should have been addressed before now.
Thing is though, he even says it wasn't me "ignoring him." It was just, I don't know, a litany of wrongs that have been growing.
Which means, its about more than this one unban request, its a huge problem that should have been addressed before now.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
After re-reading Rick Petko's response, I felt compelled to follow up, line by line. I am not going to roll over and just accept this ban. At the very least, I will let you know what I am thinking and why I am so perplexed and frustrated at what I feel was excessive admin action.
Rick, I have waxed poetically about noobs before, typing rhymes into general chat. I have never had any admins reprimand and threaten to ban me unless I stop. However, in a few short minutes, I somehow illicited such a response from you.
The critical point to make here though is that I do not recall ONCE being warned by you to tone it down on chat. Post the logs. If I missed a typewritten warning, clearly telling me what I was doing wrong, I am sorry. But was that reason for a 3 day ban?
I understand I should never say never, and maybe I said something that I forgot about...but that is why I'm adamant you post evidence to back up these pretty harsh accusations.
If this is what you are referring to, then you are only now on these message boards, "reprimanding" me. You did not do so in game. You may have posted warnings to not play disruptively but my responses, clearly showing I thought you were referring to me not giving rides in apaches, was never clarified by you to instead show that I was "playing disruptively" by calling other people "noobs" or alleged "verbal abuses." Nor did I see any such "playing disruptively" warnings following a noob comment I recall making, to the best of my memory. Instead, it seemed they popped up when people were complaining about me flying solo in Apache. Or at least your threats to "team play" or leave.
Ultimately, what I see here is a frustrated admin whose easiest recourse was to just ban me. I gave Rick Petko some lip and so he just banned me. When normal players are the one upon whom the burden of civility and restraint is most heavily placed, then what has become of the server?
Just like with cops in real life. They just tase instead of do their jobs....
What do you mean, "once again?" Are you referring to the fact I had 2 posts, or are you referencing a persistent problem of me not understanding fundamental server rules/purpose?Once again you don't understand the gist of what we do here.
So I was banned in part for it. Please explain this rule to me as you understand it so that I can understand it. I have never had any problems, whatsoever, with anyone in just playing and flying with available helicopters on that map.You weren't banned for 3 days because you failed to give rides only.
I have been commenting on my perception of excessive "noobs" (as I call them) on the server. Generally it is a loose comment I make, venting after a TK or after woefully inept gameplay on the part of teammates. Which seems to fit the "spirit" of the unwritten Bocage 2 helicopter rules (as I hope to be further enlightened) of the importance of team play and pursuing worthwhile objectives in game.You also called your fellow players noobs
Rick, I have waxed poetically about noobs before, typing rhymes into general chat. I have never had any admins reprimand and threaten to ban me unless I stop. However, in a few short minutes, I somehow illicited such a response from you.
The critical point to make here though is that I do not recall ONCE being warned by you to tone it down on chat. Post the logs. If I missed a typewritten warning, clearly telling me what I was doing wrong, I am sorry. But was that reason for a 3 day ban?
Please post chat logs to show how I verbally abused other players...and explain how these specific verbal abuses disrupted game play. I contend this is a lie.and generallly disrupted game play with your verbal abuses of other players.
I understand I should never say never, and maybe I said something that I forgot about...but that is why I'm adamant you post evidence to back up these pretty harsh accusations.
I do not contest that I made at least 1 noob comment on general chat that SOS would have seen. Please cite other reprimands though. Only thing I can think of is AIDS saying something a few months back when we were on bunkers one time and I took offense and we went back and forth for a few. He just said to tone down the language of "yelling" at my team, etc.... (a few months ago!)SOS also saw this too. You have been reprimanded before for things like this.
If this is what you are referring to, then you are only now on these message boards, "reprimanding" me. You did not do so in game. You may have posted warnings to not play disruptively but my responses, clearly showing I thought you were referring to me not giving rides in apaches, was never clarified by you to instead show that I was "playing disruptively" by calling other people "noobs" or alleged "verbal abuses." Nor did I see any such "playing disruptively" warnings following a noob comment I recall making, to the best of my memory. Instead, it seemed they popped up when people were complaining about me flying solo in Apache. Or at least your threats to "team play" or leave.
Finally, a clear warning of my actions. But goodness, its like I'm in California and already have 2 strikes. Sure wish I'd had a chance to be warned before the 1st!If you don't cease you will be perma-banned for good. Serve your time and come back with an adjusted attitude towards us.
RP
Ultimately, what I see here is a frustrated admin whose easiest recourse was to just ban me. I gave Rick Petko some lip and so he just banned me. When normal players are the one upon whom the burden of civility and restraint is most heavily placed, then what has become of the server?
Just like with cops in real life. They just tase instead of do their jobs....
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
AIDS. You seem to be worthy of a ban. You said you have flown with a "nub gunner."
Such verbal abuse will not be tolerated.
Such verbal abuse will not be tolerated.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Other than AIDS' comments, the silence is deafening.
If you think you're "punishing" me for something I've been reprimanded before, you're wrong. And to give the silent treatment seems to be misconduct by authority in simply assuming that the "perpetrator" understands exactly what you understand. It will simply breed more misunderstanding and confrontation.
Tell me what you're thinking Petko (& others?) in not reviewing the substance of this ban and please get back to me so I actually understand what has alienated me from your good graces. Only then will I be able to, as Petko puts it, reform and come back with an adjusted attitude. So far, I've posted several rebuttals, none of which have been responded to other than 1 admin (AIDS) vouching for a couple of my points.
And if my many posts have ticked you off further, at least say so so that I know. I feel like I've got you in a corner. You can't say that you banned me for disrespecting players on Friday because it didn't happen, at least not 3 day ban worthy stuff. I've repeatedly called for the logs to be posted. So, if you then say its because of past disrespect and chat spamming, then I've got you there too because its after the fact. You don't arrest someone and jail them for 3 days without a reason. Cart is before the horse on that one. And the logs wouldn't show your intentions as such, nor would it be logical and ethical to just ban people even though you were playing with them for minutes before with no reference or discussion of things happening before that day. So, in a way, you're in a corner and I'm just looking either for an admission of it or some info on how I don't get something.
That way we can just put it behind us and move on.
If you think you're "punishing" me for something I've been reprimanded before, you're wrong. And to give the silent treatment seems to be misconduct by authority in simply assuming that the "perpetrator" understands exactly what you understand. It will simply breed more misunderstanding and confrontation.
Tell me what you're thinking Petko (& others?) in not reviewing the substance of this ban and please get back to me so I actually understand what has alienated me from your good graces. Only then will I be able to, as Petko puts it, reform and come back with an adjusted attitude. So far, I've posted several rebuttals, none of which have been responded to other than 1 admin (AIDS) vouching for a couple of my points.
And if my many posts have ticked you off further, at least say so so that I know. I feel like I've got you in a corner. You can't say that you banned me for disrespecting players on Friday because it didn't happen, at least not 3 day ban worthy stuff. I've repeatedly called for the logs to be posted. So, if you then say its because of past disrespect and chat spamming, then I've got you there too because its after the fact. You don't arrest someone and jail them for 3 days without a reason. Cart is before the horse on that one. And the logs wouldn't show your intentions as such, nor would it be logical and ethical to just ban people even though you were playing with them for minutes before with no reference or discussion of things happening before that day. So, in a way, you're in a corner and I'm just looking either for an admission of it or some info on how I don't get something.
That way we can just put it behind us and move on.
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Hav3n,
I have no issue with you and even though you can get "excited" at times.. I don't hold it against you because we have all been there at one time or another. Hell, you hear me cussing out AIDS on TS all the time.
As far as Rick's ban, if he thinks that it was needed and justified, who am I to say otherwise?
The only thing I know for sure if that your ban will be lifted tomorrow.
I have no issue with you and even though you can get "excited" at times.. I don't hold it against you because we have all been there at one time or another. Hell, you hear me cussing out AIDS on TS all the time.
As far as Rick's ban, if he thinks that it was needed and justified, who am I to say otherwise?
The only thing I know for sure if that your ban will be lifted tomorrow.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Thanks for saying something.
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Swanny-CG
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Hav3n,
What would you like us to say? I offerred a point of view that may have explained some of it but you seem to feel justified in trying to call Rick out, demanding that proof of your transgressions be made public, to see if everyone else agrees with him or you.
Not having been there, I generally rely upon my admins to do their jobs. It sounds like you disagree with the the judgement call that Rick made. That's fine.
Your tone is very accusatory (which I'm sure seems justified, since you feel wronged), which doesn't lend itself to anyone going out of their way (namely Rick, since he instituted the ban) to help you out.
There have been lots of times when someone got kicked for something, only to come back and try and shit on either the admin or the server. This usually gets them a more permanent vacation. Understand that this is in NO WAY a threat toward you; your opinion is noted. I'm only saying that if those people had just come back and kept playing they'd still be with us today.
Honestly, most of the reason this has just sat here (IMO) is that it IS only a three day ban. Were it permanent we'd look to see if we could work something out.
I know you're a regular here and your participation in our community is appreciated and welcomed. Lots of the stuff we end up doing to babysit the server doesn't make us popular players; I'm sure you can see how that would be the case. We do the best we can.
What would you like us to say? I offerred a point of view that may have explained some of it but you seem to feel justified in trying to call Rick out, demanding that proof of your transgressions be made public, to see if everyone else agrees with him or you.
Not having been there, I generally rely upon my admins to do their jobs. It sounds like you disagree with the the judgement call that Rick made. That's fine.
Your tone is very accusatory (which I'm sure seems justified, since you feel wronged), which doesn't lend itself to anyone going out of their way (namely Rick, since he instituted the ban) to help you out.
There have been lots of times when someone got kicked for something, only to come back and try and shit on either the admin or the server. This usually gets them a more permanent vacation. Understand that this is in NO WAY a threat toward you; your opinion is noted. I'm only saying that if those people had just come back and kept playing they'd still be with us today.
Honestly, most of the reason this has just sat here (IMO) is that it IS only a three day ban. Were it permanent we'd look to see if we could work something out.
I know you're a regular here and your participation in our community is appreciated and welcomed. Lots of the stuff we end up doing to babysit the server doesn't make us popular players; I'm sure you can see how that would be the case. We do the best we can.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it. Really, all I want is communication. I know I am a dickhead sometimes, but seriously, talk to me about it like AIDS did before handing out a ban.
I would readily acknowledge that some of my calling others players noobs (sometimes generally, sometimes specifically) has racheted up a bit in the last couple of months. But lets talk about it. I obviously get a lot more passionate and competitive about winning sometimes that most people. I often say, I don't come here to chat (ironic, eh?) I come to play and win. I don't mind losing a close game with people really trying on my team, but when there are (lets face it, they're plenty of them) straight up "rookies" taking good equipment or whatever and just not really playing a conquest game...it gets annnoying. I've said this before, perhaps it is time I find another game with more players in my age bracket (teens & 20-somethings) that are more intense like me.
In all honesty, I think Rick banned me because I said something after he warned me about talking more. But then he gave the reason of disrespecting other players. Then he said it was in part because of disrupting gameplay by taking helis alone. Then he said I verbally abused other players.
Anyone that knows how intense I can get would know that I don't take those kinds of accusations lightly when threatened with a ban. And I certainly don't take them lightly when they're used as the pretense for a ban. And for that reason, knowing it would probably result in no ban being lifted, I just went ahead and made my case. I was honestly in disbelief that he actually banned me for 3 days. That is why I wanted the logs posted. Not for people to decide who was right, but because I felt like I had been pretty unjustly treated when compared with the year or more I've been playing here. I don't know how the server is administered with all the admins, but I guess what I really wanted to see was what the consensus among other admins was with regard to this instance. If we needed to talk about my language and intensity in game, I welcome the conversation. If I made a error worthy of a temporary ban on Friday, I welcome that discussion. But what I really was disappointed by was the seemingly absolute authority of one person to limit my privileges here on the last best server in a way that I felt was overreaching and unfair without any oversight other than the admin's word. That's all.
The only other time I got kicked was by, I forget who, who told me to shut up because someone was taunting me and I was talking smack back and anyways, I misunderstood the admin and made a joke and got kicked...for 10 minutes is all though. So, anyways, I'm not really that mad, but I guess I just couldn't help but hit back after I felt like I'd been, I don't know, just treated poorly compared to all my other experiences here.
I love this server, play here almost exclusively and have even offered to donate. I know I don't have a "right" to play here, I appreciate whoever provides it.
I would readily acknowledge that some of my calling others players noobs (sometimes generally, sometimes specifically) has racheted up a bit in the last couple of months. But lets talk about it. I obviously get a lot more passionate and competitive about winning sometimes that most people. I often say, I don't come here to chat (ironic, eh?) I come to play and win. I don't mind losing a close game with people really trying on my team, but when there are (lets face it, they're plenty of them) straight up "rookies" taking good equipment or whatever and just not really playing a conquest game...it gets annnoying. I've said this before, perhaps it is time I find another game with more players in my age bracket (teens & 20-somethings) that are more intense like me.
In all honesty, I think Rick banned me because I said something after he warned me about talking more. But then he gave the reason of disrespecting other players. Then he said it was in part because of disrupting gameplay by taking helis alone. Then he said I verbally abused other players.
Anyone that knows how intense I can get would know that I don't take those kinds of accusations lightly when threatened with a ban. And I certainly don't take them lightly when they're used as the pretense for a ban. And for that reason, knowing it would probably result in no ban being lifted, I just went ahead and made my case. I was honestly in disbelief that he actually banned me for 3 days. That is why I wanted the logs posted. Not for people to decide who was right, but because I felt like I had been pretty unjustly treated when compared with the year or more I've been playing here. I don't know how the server is administered with all the admins, but I guess what I really wanted to see was what the consensus among other admins was with regard to this instance. If we needed to talk about my language and intensity in game, I welcome the conversation. If I made a error worthy of a temporary ban on Friday, I welcome that discussion. But what I really was disappointed by was the seemingly absolute authority of one person to limit my privileges here on the last best server in a way that I felt was overreaching and unfair without any oversight other than the admin's word. That's all.
The only other time I got kicked was by, I forget who, who told me to shut up because someone was taunting me and I was talking smack back and anyways, I misunderstood the admin and made a joke and got kicked...for 10 minutes is all though. So, anyways, I'm not really that mad, but I guess I just couldn't help but hit back after I felt like I'd been, I don't know, just treated poorly compared to all my other experiences here.
I love this server, play here almost exclusively and have even offered to donate. I know I don't have a "right" to play here, I appreciate whoever provides it.
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Hav3n,
I hear your frustration. I think in terms of verbal abuse, we just don't want this to be a place where people feel uncomfortable. Especially for being "noobs." Not acting like idiots, mind you, but really not knowing what's going on. Where that line is drawn really does depend on the situation and personalities involved.
That being said, we (admins) DO operate with autonomy. If someone (an admin) is way off base we'll settle that internally. But I don't second-guess the reactions of our team. In situations like this I've always got the admin's back to begin with.
Lots of times I just want to come in and enjoy a round, but I have to keep track of the knuckleheads and jackholes that seem to enjoy trying to ruin the fun for everyone else. I get tired of babysitting, and sometimes I may overreact. It gets tiresome. I don't know how often that happens for anyone else, I can only speak for myself.
We are encouraged to not simply ban permanently anyone who rubs us the wrong way. One day, three days, a week - that is more along the lines of what we do.
More of then than not it turns out to be a misunderstanding of some kind. Obviously, you care about being here and that says something. The more civility and understanding we bring to discussions like these the better off we are and the quicker they get worked out.
Looks like you're back in.
I hear your frustration. I think in terms of verbal abuse, we just don't want this to be a place where people feel uncomfortable. Especially for being "noobs." Not acting like idiots, mind you, but really not knowing what's going on. Where that line is drawn really does depend on the situation and personalities involved.
That being said, we (admins) DO operate with autonomy. If someone (an admin) is way off base we'll settle that internally. But I don't second-guess the reactions of our team. In situations like this I've always got the admin's back to begin with.
Lots of times I just want to come in and enjoy a round, but I have to keep track of the knuckleheads and jackholes that seem to enjoy trying to ruin the fun for everyone else. I get tired of babysitting, and sometimes I may overreact. It gets tiresome. I don't know how often that happens for anyone else, I can only speak for myself.
We are encouraged to not simply ban permanently anyone who rubs us the wrong way. One day, three days, a week - that is more along the lines of what we do.
More of then than not it turns out to be a misunderstanding of some kind. Obviously, you care about being here and that says something. The more civility and understanding we bring to discussions like these the better off we are and the quicker they get worked out.
Looks like you're back in.
Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
I want to re-iterate what swanny said as I am pretty sure I gave you the 10 minute ban..It's nothing personal.
During a game I am generally playing...just like everyone else. During say desert shield I will have to warn about: driving to planes, camping, firing scud into main, and some guy getting TK'd for a frog...while I'm trying to decipher through all the chat (I can't be everywhere at once and my screen looks just like yours) and figure out whom exactly is doing these things you can bet that I am going to have little patience for 2 guys bickering for 20 minutes.
You will not often get an explanation from me about why you were kicked or banned. I try to put it in a certain category if I can, but if I am typing in your number you can usually bet that disruptive is what your being and "!bdis3days" is real easy to type compared to "!bignore3days".
I don't have time to explain why, and probably don't want to. I don't enjoy banning people, I don't have a quota, I grew out of power trips decades ago....but I do deserve respect and will not hesitate to use a person as an example to what happens if you don't listen to warnings...especially if I get to the point where I say drop it or shut up.
you can type like 1 sentence in chat. you can't explain everything to everyone without taking about 10 minutes..hell even camping our "1" rule has many lines..
Here is example A:
someoneelse:player .69 is camping
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me:!wcamp .69 (if im lucky to have number)
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person:I can't fire into mains??
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me:no attacking uncaps except sniper
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person:but I was shooting SA3
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me: oh that's ok then sorry
line
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someoneelse: but you killed me and i was not close to SA3
line
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line
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person:but I was sniping
line
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me:were you sniping or shooting SA3?
line
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person:I was sniping SA3 with a RPG and missed and killed him by accident
line
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me: ok, a sniper is a rifle not technique, you can't attack uncaps except with sniper rifle.
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person: so i can't kill SA3?? that's fukin stupid.
line
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me:!web
how long did that take to actually happen vs how long you read it??
See you guys on the battlefield.
During a game I am generally playing...just like everyone else. During say desert shield I will have to warn about: driving to planes, camping, firing scud into main, and some guy getting TK'd for a frog...while I'm trying to decipher through all the chat (I can't be everywhere at once and my screen looks just like yours) and figure out whom exactly is doing these things you can bet that I am going to have little patience for 2 guys bickering for 20 minutes.
You will not often get an explanation from me about why you were kicked or banned. I try to put it in a certain category if I can, but if I am typing in your number you can usually bet that disruptive is what your being and "!bdis3days" is real easy to type compared to "!bignore3days".
I don't have time to explain why, and probably don't want to. I don't enjoy banning people, I don't have a quota, I grew out of power trips decades ago....but I do deserve respect and will not hesitate to use a person as an example to what happens if you don't listen to warnings...especially if I get to the point where I say drop it or shut up.
you can type like 1 sentence in chat. you can't explain everything to everyone without taking about 10 minutes..hell even camping our "1" rule has many lines..
Here is example A:
someoneelse:player .69 is camping
line
me:!wcamp .69 (if im lucky to have number)
line
line
line
line
person:I can't fire into mains??
line
line
line
line
me:no attacking uncaps except sniper
line
line
line
person:but I was shooting SA3
line
me: oh that's ok then sorry
line
line
line
line
someoneelse: but you killed me and i was not close to SA3
line
line
line
line
line
person:but I was sniping
line
line
me:were you sniping or shooting SA3?
line
line
line
person:I was sniping SA3 with a RPG and missed and killed him by accident
line
line
line
me: ok, a sniper is a rifle not technique, you can't attack uncaps except with sniper rifle.
line
line
person: so i can't kill SA3?? that's fukin stupid.
line
line
me:!web
how long did that take to actually happen vs how long you read it??
See you guys on the battlefield.
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Re: Banned for Disrepecting Players or something...?
Toolman, I remember getting on teamspeak because I was mad you had booted me for 10 min. However, that is more along the lines of what I would expect from an admin for doing something they find disruptive. Particularly someone like me that plays a lot. I'm open to hearing an admin out and if they think I'm blowing me off, then blow me off for a few minutes so I get the message and I can come complain or discuss it on the boards.
But a 3 day ban is what really infuriated me this time and that's why I so aggressively argued my point of view on this or wanted a redress of my grievances about getting banned so to speak.
But a 3 day ban is what really infuriated me this time and that's why I so aggressively argued my point of view on this or wanted a redress of my grievances about getting banned so to speak.