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A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Am I banned from your server? I'd like a definitive answer if you don't mind, as it's been over a month now and I still get booted every time I log in and S.O.S. is there.

If your answer is "yes", then I'd like to ask the reason behind the ban.

If the answer is "no", then I'd like to know when (or if) S.O.S.'s behavior will be addressed. I won't pretend to know the rules concerning the behavior of your admins, but I do suspect there must be some code of conduct.

This issue has gone more than far enough. I've spoke with Rick Petko about it. Swanny has personally addressed S.O.S. ingame about it (LF55 has a screenshot of the conversation in fact). The truth is that S.O.S. simply does not care if he's confronted on this issue and continues to do as he pleases.

Perhaps S.O.S. is allowed to do whatever he pleases. If so, please disregard this entire post, and and I'll leave the matter alone. If this is not true, then I'd like a resolution.

In closing...I logged in today for the first time in a month (well, for a few minutes 2 nights ago to check if the video card temps were stable). Less than 5 minutes later S.O.S. logged in. I did not initiate conversation with him, nor even encounter him in-game. This is what happened immediately:

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This, of course, was followed by an immediate boot.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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You missed the other message in your screen shot when I said I need an apology before I can play with you and you know the reason for that.. I've told Swanny in email and Rick in game about my request. I didn't ban you but don't want to see your face/name when I'm in the game for now. You are free to come when I'm not around. I believe my request is fair. You can't mess with an admin and get away with it.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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SOS Rulez, 1 of the best admins on the server, keep up the good work bro !!
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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whaaoo, I'm on a screenshot, i'm famous now :D

no ? ok... forgive it :(
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Come on guy's, it's a game an we are all players who enjoy. Let's not get personal an stuff.
Can we all move forward an enjoy, surely there's enuff space out there. Peace guy's !!!
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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You missed the other message in your screen shot when I said I need an apology before I can play with you and you know the reason for that..
(a) I didn't miss it. I found it irrelevant. I don't believe being an admin gives you the right to dictate my opinions on a public forum. You may request an apology, of course. I personally do not believe I owe you one. I found your behavior at the time to be "petty" and I said so. I still believe it was petty, and your current behavior to border on infantile.

(b) No...I do not know the reason for "that". Kindly inform me of the rule and/or rules I've broken that have justified my continuous ban for the last month.
I didn't ban you but don't want to see your face/name when I'm in the game for now.
Whether or not the server boots me, or you boot me, the result is the same. I cannot play. That, in my opinion, is a ban. As to what you want? I don't understand why your personal desires are dictating policy on a public server that you do not own. I do not talk to you or interface with you in any way during gameplay unless it's in battle, so you have absolutely no reason to be affected by my presence.
You are free to come when I'm not around. I believe my request is fair
Fair? I'd like the names of...mmmm...say one....one other player who must check the server to see if a specific admin is on in order to determine if he is allowed to play or not.
You can't mess with an admin and get away with it.
God complex, anyone? Aside from that blatantly ego-stoking comment, you do realize that calling you a "j*ckass" on a public forum doesn't exactly constitute "messing around with an admin." I'm also pretty sure that plenty of other admins have been called out on this forum, some of the posts consisting of multiple page arguments, yet only YOU have implemented a personal vendetta against one of the players.

That's right. Personal vendetta....because no behavior of mine, nor any history of past behavior, has merited your immature response. If so, I'd love to read about it. Please post my history of past and present transgressions that have earned my removal from this server.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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I have no time to argue with you, this will be my last post about the issue.

You were kicked for a violation under my eyes. It was a fair kick and your play history has no concerns with my action. You then insulted me in the forum. All I want is a public apology. Until I read that, you are not going to play while I'm on.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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I don't believe being an admin gives you the right to dictate my opinions on a public forum.
Although I do not have a "dog in this fight", I would like to offer a solution.

The quote, above, is the main issue of this problem. When "in game" an admin can, and should, maintain order and do what is necessary. All issues as a result of such "in game" action, should be taken up in the forum...that makes sense.
However, if subsequent admin action is taken after a player complies by taking the issue to the forum, then one would have to ask, "why take it to the forum?"

Honestly, and I say this with due respect to all parties, a player should only receive discipline in the arena of violation.
If "server rules" are broken during game play, then discipline should be taken accordingly.
If, subsequently, "forum rules" are broken during discourse in the forum, then discipline should be taken accordingly.
The two should never meet or be allowed to flow into one another. In other words, take whatever "in game" violation that has occurred and do something about it...kick...temp ban...perm ban...whatever is actually warranted and then be done with it. (in game)
If an "in forum" rule has been violated, then do something about it...a forum member can be restricted in his/her ability to participate in the forums or can be ip banned from the forum if necessary. (in forum)

A meeting of the admins needs to take place...they need to make the distinction between game and forum rules and appropriate disciplinary actions (as they have different rules and subsequent disciplinary actions) determine the final disciplinary action and be done with it.

my two cents...
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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I bet SOS remembers the good old days a couple of years ago, it seems the forums and teamspeak are creating more work for admins and a "click" among players. LBM kicked me a few times in the past and I swear to god if I could have reached through my fkin computer I would have kicked him in the throat. A lot of muddy water now and the old timers like LBM, OTH and others are just getting tired of dealing with this bullshit. Things happen, people base camp, rape mains, tk and whatever else. I say deal with it and move on.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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The following general guidelines should be kept in mind when posting to EA 117 DC Fan Favorites Forums. We take these guidelines seriously, and will not hesitate to remove access privileges in response to repeated violations.

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Specialist has personally altered my original posts and reprimanded me for the word j*ackass. I understood that action and the reprimand. I did not repeat it nor continue any further action involving the matter. I have not been active ingame or on the forums for over a month.

I was not aware that an indefinite ban from the server itself would result in the typing of the word j*ckass on this forum.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Grizzly wrote:A lot of muddy water now and the old timers like LBM, OTH and others are just getting tired of dealing with this bullshit.
...most of us "are" old timers in this game...and yes...we are tired of the bs. But, if you think about it...when "hasn't there been something going on, on "every" server? I've been one to frequent as many servers as possible since I started playing '42 and there has always been stuff happening. Just the nature of multiplayer, online video gaming.
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look at mojo all up on S.O.S. nuts lol
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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huh? I've not replied to this thread! lol, don't me all involved :P

Personally..I think we all should start anew..neither are bad guys..we all knows this..it's just a personality conflict..and I don't think this server should be run as popularity only.

That said, I think no matter what we say and feel on this...only these two can resolve this... and I think it should be done in private.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Come on guy's, it's not as tho we are sittin next to each other in a classroom. ;p
Cannot the ppl have a pow wow an get on with life. The point has bin made, get over it. ;)
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Dan and Swanny, I hope you can address this with SOS.

I was playing Urban Siege at 20:15 Eastern tonight, and SOS kicked me for language. I had not said a word. When I finally got back in and said WTF SOS, why did you kick me, he said you know why, you are banned. I said, that is my son Dvaren not me. He said you are playing on his keyhash. I said yes, I am visiting and using his machine and my screen name, and that my PC is a 100 miles away. SOS said you have two minutes of play left. I told him he has a problem, and I will leave now and I then disconnected.

FYI, I had just taken first place above SOS when he kicked me.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Oh, is Cris and his hash key actually banned on the EA117 server then?
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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LF55 wrote:Dan and Swanny, I hope you can address this with SOS.

I was playing Urban Siege at 20:15 Eastern tonight, and SOS kicked me for language. I had not said a word. When I finally got back in and said WTF SOS, why did you kick me, he said you know why, you are banned. I said, that is my son Dvaren not me. He said you are playing on his keyhash. I said yes, I am visiting and using his machine and my screen name, and that my PC is a 100 miles away. SOS said you have two minutes of play left. I told him he has a problem, and I will leave now and I then disconnected.

FYI, I had just taken first place above SOS when he kicked me.
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Yeah, I was there for this one.
Seemed a little....no, it was WAY over the top.

P.S. If the hash were banned, wouldn't you be unable to join the server?


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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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It does not matter if I am banned or not.

It does not matter if my father is banned or not.

My keyhash is irrelevant.

Your keyhash is irrelevant.

S.O.S. will do as he pleases. There are no rules except the ones he conjures up on a whim.

Take care if you respond to this post, as anyone who even associates with me could very well be kicked and/or banned.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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That said, I think no matter what we say and feel on this...only these two can resolve this... and I think it should be done in private
That's a wonderful idea. Except SOS will not address me in P.M.s or on T.S. He believes that the only solution to his injured "pride" is a publicly typed apology. He and only he will dictate my opinions. You all must witness his power over me. You all must witness the consequences of disagreeing with this admin.
Come on guy's, it's not as tho we are sittin next to each other in a classroom. ;p
Cannot the ppl have a pow wow an get on with life. The point has bin made, get over it. ;)
Apparently the point is still being made, and according to SOS's improvised rules and punishments, will continue to be made indefinitely unless I kiss his holier-than-thou arse. Perhaps juveniles with something to prove to themselves shouldn't be admins. Then again, who am I to say?
shake hands move along and abuse the feck out of each other, thts what real men do isnt it? well i do hahaha come on guys kiss and make up
Tough to accomplish when every time I or anyone associated with me is instantly booted from the server. According to SOS himself, my mere presence on the server is so offending to him personally, that he is forced to boot me. Even the alpha-numeric combination of my keyhash is so offending that he must force my father from the server also. Hard to "make up" with that type of malevolence, no?
wow, i suppose if the key hash is banned he is within his rights, but as you say it was you playing larry i dont get it,, hmmm this has to end sometime does it not?
It is not banned...but what does that matter? It has become quite evident the rules and regulations concerning this server are quite fluid....subject to change on the whim of one particular admin who does as he pleases. This will end when Specialist or Swanny realizes that something is glaringly amiss here.

For those of you that are new to this discussion, keep this in mind: Over a month ago I was kicked from the server for driving a M1 Abrams near the airfield. I never drove it on the airfield. My tank never even touched the border of the airfield. I simply had acquired the tank, drove it a few yards, and realized the A-10 was available. I have absolutely no record of driving any vehicles to any airfield. I have absolutely no record of breaking any rules whatsoever. I am a long time player in good standing. I challenge any admin on EA117 to dispute anything I've just said. I was immediately kicked for my supposed "infraction."

Some other interesting facts: SOS and myself have never clashed before this incident. Other admins and myself do not have any history of disagreements. I have been gone over a month from the game server and the EA117 forums. I have not initiated any contact with SOS nor harassed him in any way. My sole comment to SOS was to "please leave me alone, as I've done nothing to you" after he contacted me and told me to leave.

After the debacle on the server, where my notoriously misbehaved self was reprimanded for my consistently illegal behavior (*cough*), I grew irritated with SOS. I posted my argument here on the forums and called SOS a j*ackass in the subject line. After this, SOS began to instantly boot me every time I logged in. I called him a j*ackass again in the forums.

Specialist stepped in, modified my posts, and informed me that I should not use that word on the forums. I agreed and never did it again.

To this day, over a month after I drove a tank near an airfield, I still cannot play on EA117 because SOS boots me whenever he sees my name (or apparently keyhash). He demands a public apology on this forum. I do not believe I owe him one. I do believe that I've been "punished" far more than my "crime" would merit. Now even my father is being booted from the server.

When does this end?
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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After the incident last night, I logged back on with my screen name using a different CD key. This time I was not booted by SOS, though he did nail me six times in a row upon entry. SOS then told me to stop lying about him, to which I responded, I did not lie. I asssume this has to do with my earlier forum posting.

My objections are not to SOS, but to the actions of SOS, and they are two-fold. First, he has his own set of rules, which as he states are exclusive and at his sole discretion. This is a little too God-like for me. Is there visibility and accountability for these rules? Put another way, are these rules clearly posted, and are these rules accepted by the Admin team?

Second, I have seen him auto healing sans shotgun on multiple occasions. This includes last night in Bulge when I locked onto him and emptied an entire clip from the Shika into his Abrams with continuous fire, and it did not kill him. I have also been on his team in Sea Rigs, and seen him running and healing, again without the benefit of a medpak.

I am really frustrated with all this, and that just seems wrong to me as this is a game, and one I enjoy playing. As I suggested in prior discussions, I think this could all have been easily worked out via a TS encounter. Frequently in TS an Admin will call me out (and occasionally cuss me out), and it's all taken in the spirit of play and camaraderie. Issues in TS are worked out in real time, and i have yet to see an issue go unanswered with a teammate or an Admin.

Though my opinion is clearly skewed as Cris is my son, I can say in my experience he is a very honest and balanced (and too damn good) player. Let's end this stuff, and get on with the game!
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lol, Cris... I've been trying to not take sides in this in hopes SOS would...get in a better mood or something... so at the risk of getting my stupid self banned..I offer these words to you for your "Apology" to SOS.. as follows:

"Dear SOS,

KISS MY SORRY ASS.

All my love,

Cris"

I have to say, while I am not there to see any of these antics going on.. Larry is one of the most stand up guys I've met online..and I put my total trust and respect into him.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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Just say sry in the forum,let SOS have his pride back and we can all move along, Be it right or wrong who gives a fk i miss the happy days and this is going on to long,,
It could be argued that if SOSs sense of pride or self worth relies on the text typed into an internet gaming forum by a total stranger, he has bigger issues than I =)

....but moving on.....

If I truly believed that SOS's feelings were hurt by the word "j*ckass" on this forum, I'd apologize. If I truly believed that after a month of my absence, the mere presence of my name and/or keyhash was devastatingly offensive to SOS, I'd once again apologize.

But we all know that neither of these statements are true. I doubt even SOS would claim them to be so. All he wants to do is humiliate me and I refuse to give that to him.

As I said before...this is a matter for Swanny or Specialist. I will stay banned until one or both of these admins decides that the punishment that's been levied on me equals my misbehavior. I will wait patiently here on the forums until one of them tells me it is OK to come back.
I have to say, while I am not there to see any of these antics going on.. Larry is one of the most stand up guys I've met online..and I put my total trust and respect into him.
Unfortunately, he has made the error of visiting his son 100+ miles from his home. He should have known better. He may visit me when SOS says he may.

Note to father: You will play when, where and how SOS says. Don't forget it again. And if I were you....I'd apologize immediately.
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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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I may just be an old fart, but hey life experiences are something that come with time. An i think that with all the problems that we are confronted in life this has to be classed as trivial. We are part of a larger picture here an the message that seem's to be gettin across is not wat ppl want see. It's ok to be controversial, but can we keep the fact's clear an not get clouded by personality conflict's that can be solved though personal contact.
Admin's an ppl involved plz sort this out, it's goin in the wrong direction an need's to be cleared up...

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Re: A question for Specialist or Swanny

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To LF55,

I'm sorry I kicked you by mistake the other day. However, you know my issue with your son and the only thing I can be sure he's on is the keyhash and I was careful enough to verify it before the kick. So it was an honest mistake and I'm sorry anyways. I see you do have access to another computer at his home, so if you feel like to play there, use it. As a warning in advance, I'm still watching his keyhash, if you play on that machine again, you'd be kicked. I have no way to tell if it's him using a different name.

Now, accusing people hacking when you are getting owned is typical noob behavior. I thought you are better than that. 250 Shilka rounds can't take out a M1A1/T72, try it on an empty tank. For the other incident, are you sure there wasn't a teammate healing me nearby?

I never created new rules nor bend them in my favor. Perhaps the difference between me and other admins is that I enforce them more strictly (e.g. no warnings for regulars or violations under my eyes before kick) for the sake of most players to have a good time on the server, and I suggest my fellow admins to do the same.

As for your son, I'm still waiting for a post I deserve before I feel like playing with him.
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