S.O.S wrote:Although not specified in the rules section, SA and arty are two exceptions that can be taken out under conditions I mentioned as they are both meant to be fired from a distance, often in main. That has been enforced for years.
So in one post you tell me what the rule is - and when I show a direct contradiction your response is to say it's "not in the rules" - yet IS a rule??? Yet you expect me to "know the rules"??? That is utter hogwash and is some seriously jacked up logic, man. The unoccupied SA3 exemption IS in fact in the rules and I mentioned as much (do I need to screenshot that one for you too?). The MLRS is mentioned ONCE in the entire rules document - and it is not in the "exceptions" portion - and is not mentioned in the context of being an exemption either. To date I have also NEVER seen a non-firing MLRS attacked on EA117 while in it's main - until yesterday, despite your claim that it's been that way for years. If the admin doesn't know or follow the written rules for the server - then there cannot be any expectations by the admin for the players to know or follow the unwritten rules... or whatever other rule(s) you might create & observe in your head for the day.
If it is a rule - then please GET IT in the damned rules. This entire situation could have and should have been avoided - as I do happen to read and know the written rules of the server - and have for years. Unwritten rules should not be enforceable in these sorts of situations.
The reason you were kicked was the fact you didn't comply with admin requests, through chat and server commands. Asked you to stop ranting twice, !wlang, !wlisten, then the kick.
So if someone complains about a (written) rules violation - and someone else lying about it, they are the bad guy. Got it. More of that jacked-up logic. FFS. :/
The F bomb came the moment you were booted. So the ban stays.
Unjust administrative action is often not met with a smile and, "thank you sir, can I have another?!?!?". I'm fine with the ban staying - that's your prerogative, but the bomb was absolutely well deserved in the context of the situation - and you know it.
You come to our server, you follow our rules.
Yeah - we see how well that works out too.
You do realize you are mostly playing against Americans in the red team right? Don't think I ever saw an Iraqi here.
I'm pretty sure you don't have any idea where most of your players come from. More of them are international than you realize. When is the last time you bothered to look at the stats page?
On a serious note, maybe you should pay VA a visit for PTSD or something that makes you taking a game too seriously.
Sorry that you cannot understand or appreciate principle - but that's your issue to deal with, not mine. As far as handing out advice on "not taking the game too seriously" - if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what is, Mr. QuickKick & "firmly enforce the rules". It is also quite safe to assume that you have no background to be making diagnosis and giving medical advice - since you clearly cannot tell the difference between PTSD and principle. But again - I relented and since that day will play red when switched - so maybe you can get off that already? However I will not switch teams just because a couple of players got tired of me kicking their asses.
You were obviously wrong in your claim about seeing me standing in main doing nothing. I didn't even spawn so I could ghost you. I saw what you did and I deemed them disruptive.
Obviously wrong? Absolutely not! I stood right in front of you more than a few times, staring at your idled player - so do not try to tell me what I did not see. You might have DC'ed & ghosted afterwards - but you absolutely stood still there for an extended period of time... as did a couple of other players. Only when I tried to go around one of them with the BMP did he suddenly come to life and intentionally try to block me from getting into the corner and/or get me to run over him. He eventually got his wish - and you booted me for it... but you didn't bother to ghost me prior to his death so you could see all that and then practically shove himself under my tread, didya?
I might also add that you often incorrectly deem things that players do as disruptive. I have watched you boot players countless times without genuine grounds for doing so, or due to an incomplete situational observation... or for no other reason than you simply didn't like what they were/were not doing (having no basis within the rules), and even for only having killed you or certain other players with a legit shot. Back again to "taking the game too seriously". You very often quickly take action without having an understanding or observation of what has actually just transpired. Truth be told - by such rampant, excessive actions it probably makes you one of the most disruptive players on the game when you are around. Things flow a lot smoother when you are not.
I understand some players have issues with my administrating style. I do tend to enforce the rules more firmly than other admins, but never abused my power. All my actions are explained if challenged. It will continue to be that way.
Your dismissive nature of events like what I quoted above ("I deemed it disruptive") does not even remotely qualify as an explanation - in sharp contrast to my play-by-play explanation of the events as they occurred. In fact it opens up a gaping hole of opportunity for abuse, excessive and underinformed conduct on your part. In short - it's a cheap, broad, all-encompassing load of crap, and I am not afraid to call a spade a spade.
kilgore wrote:I see the SA3 and MLRS both getting kills, so make my long journey around the lakes on the east side of the map [...] I then look at where the MLRS is usually firing from and don't see it in the open - I think it might be behind a building - the wood one or hangar.
It never occurred to you in the few minutes it takes to make that journey that whoever was firing the MLRS (that you claimed you saw the kills from) might have gotten killed, respawned and was trying to trek out of the main (again) to use the MLRS again? When I called you out for the illegit kill you claimed right then and there that you saw me firing AND you said that you saw the kill text scroll by. While one was an outright lie (you now admit that you weren't even in the proximity in order to see it - if I were in the main OR where I said I was to the north of main by the ponds) - it's also quite convenient that you saw my kill but not my death... but yeah I can see how that would happen. Understand though that I was only pissed because you had violated the written rules regarding attacking non-firing equipment. Since it has now been explained that the written rules do not matter - then the point is moot, despite the fact that your false claim of having seen me fire from the main would have actually put you within the scope of the rules as they are written.
With that being said - I leave that end of it alone, as it is now an administrative matter regarding written & unwritten rules.
This end, however - requires addressing:
Someone asked why i was hiding there (not sawyer - I don't recall who it was - someone that plays often if I recall). I laughed and said i was hunting SA3's and MLRS's. They seemed agitated, but unlike sawyers skewed recollection, i was "hiding", not "firing", according to this person, and I had yet to fire a round.
Their agitation stemmed from their having said you were FIRING... and yes - that is the word that was used. Whether you did or not - I don't know. If you did the rounds didn't land anywhere near me. That's all I know. However - that is specifically WHY I noticed the comment and I was just about to change direction and go looking for you when you got me. In the process of my death-flight I saw exactly where you were, 2/3rds the way up the far east end of the hill. I had just come into your field of view and you got me with a single, good shot.
If you think otherwise, that's great....you are entitled to your thoughts. If you have seen me hitting uncaps regularly then you'd have every right to bitch. [...] But acting like it was constantly occurring was being infantile.
This was never an issue and I never made any mention of something along the lines of it "constantly occurring". If you saw words to that effect - then they were someone else's, and perhaps they have a legit complaint too. The only issue I had with you was that you fired at non-firing equipment in main, as per the written rules - and I'd appreciate you laying off the fiction.
The only thing I ever recall about you on the server is that you have some kind of issue with someone, you spam chat about something
When people break (written) rules or cause disruptive play - yes, I call them out on it and publicly so. On most servers it is the common, accepted methodology used to get admin attention to the issue. At EA117 it has the opposite effect, however... getting you jumped on by multiple players and batted around by an admin like a cat toy... so... yeah - that makes sense. :/
Whe or you push your real world issues onto a bunch of people that just come on here to have fun, unwind, or kill time - but most don't know or care about what everyone else is there for.
2 people responded to my call-out of your kill by telling me to switch to red. How those two things are related I will never understand... it is rather nonsensical. When I told them I don't play red I got the response of "Oh - you're one of those." They opened the door with that comment - so I tried to explain it... buuuuut of course that wasn't good enough either and people took the opportunity to instead give me a case of the ass about it - including you, I might add. If you don't give a shit then don't comment and don't give grief. Simple logic. Not rocket science.
If the thought of playing as some imaginary enemy in an imaginary GAME causes you so much anxiety, I'm guessing you probably shouldn't be playing FPS type games at all. Or maybe you should play against the bots offline - you can slaughter "Iraqi's" all day and night, nobody cares what team you are on and nobody breaks the rules.
I'm going to respond to you the same as I did Reyalp - neither of you posses the position, qualifications, background or intelligence to be making diagnosis or issuing medical or mental advice, so kindly refrain.
Thanks for the dialogue on this... I look forward to coming back in a couple more days and having fun again & maybe this (and some of the other bullshit I and others have mentioned in other threads) can be put where it belongs, Reyalp can take his own advice and chilldownandnothaveakitten and the written rules will reflect the actual rules instead of us having to try and guess what they are that day.
Hasta.